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Dan Joyner's avatar

I'm partnering with an administrator to use AI and emergent structures during his instructional coaching process. The idea involves a three legged stool which forms a partnership. The instructional coach, teacher, and students (3 legs) form a partnership. The purpose is to co-design a future (walk-through) as a partnership where each member's learning objectives are revealed through role-play. Trust, innovation, communal possibility, commitment and chosen accountability arise from emergent practices. Class members transition from competitors to collaborators.

The administrator goes From: Observer as knower, judge, and provider of feedback and points

To: Facilitator in partnership with teacher and students, as learners,

producers and designers.

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Scott Tuffiash's avatar

Nick, great work here.

Heavily requesting you add a key step please: Must implore that all public school educators reflect on Step 3 - output, very closely.

Add a bit of step 5 right there with step 3, output - have your students answer these questions:

Prior to Gen AI tools, which professional (or professionals) would have made this output?

Do I want to have people making a living wage (or more) in this output that don't use these tools?

How do I support that?

Background: In my AI and Ethics class, we have curricular time and focus to examine when we keep using an AI tool for creative output and which professional (or professionals) might have done this output in 2021 {no public generative AI like Open AI rolled out in Nov 2022).

Next, the AI and Ethics course here specifically creates room to discuss, research, and write about the question itself within Postman's question of a Technopoly. Does this gen AI version of the output equal, detract, or add value to the output of people in that field prior to public gen AI tools? For instance, being able to quickly generate AI style Studio Ghibli art for a presentation - that has an impact in multiple ways.

No matter the educator's subject, if they are teaching 10, 11, 12th, educators must force this issue daily, with nuance, and evidence within their discipline. Asking these questions in 2025 help sustain a larger question about art, people, and value that quickly could shift if each individual student doesn't have the chance to consider the economic impact of step 3, repeated, transactionally outside of school...which is happening already, but would likely happen more if teachers are not sensitive to reducing artistry to "output".

For instance, I winced a bit from your example of outsourcing of music. I want my students to think about the artistry in the world around them, consider what they like, and mindfully consume and support good artistry. For example, one of my students who is now attending film school spent a night last March distressed about the amount of AI generated music in the Apple Music app. We took class time the next week to listen to, look at web presence, and then discuss positives and drawbacks of projects like "The Tommy Lasorda Experience" being positioned alongside people living day to day lives trying to promote their music. We then contacted that band via e-mail to ask how much of their content was AI generated, if that was a statement or parody, and thoughts they had about people scaling out with gen AI to fill up outlets like Apple Music, Pandora, etc.... rather quickly that band changed their web presence and started to identify that it was somewhat of a social experiment and parody of multiple things...and all AI generated, every bit. Never answered our e-mail though.

I'm cutting back on almost all gen AI output in creative areas within my classroom assignments. I hope a vast majority of public school teachers outside of art classes do as well. If each of my students thoroughly understands the economic shift imposed by larger tech companies on these areas of creativity --- outside of the their own tech tools.

This is a small business issue, an entrepreneurial issue, then a political issue, but also an issue of social appreciation outside of economic value.

Would like to hear your viewpoint, and if you agree, please at least add this perspective as an asterisk for step 3, if not maybe even consider an adjustment.

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